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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 18, 2011 5:16 pm

cool .....been waiting long enough ..... lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 18, 2011 6:01 pm

ha ha , more tommoz Very Happy
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Don't wear yourself out tonight! Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 18, 2011 6:32 pm

8am start remember lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 18, 2011 6:35 pm

painted rear inner wings and front drainage hole
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySat Jun 18, 2011 6:40 pm

That's enough drainage hole work for this evening!

lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 1:08 pm

This mornings work... again a 9am start.. Sleep


gearbox checked and torqued up.
Clutch checked and torqued up
clutch cable fitted and adjusted.. needs more
new accelerator cable fitted

Engine bay all cleaned down, Tcut and wax
Engine cleaned
Engine fitted
exhaust fitted

Test fitted:
Carbs
linkage - stand needs to be adjusted
coil
breather tube/box

pushed out into the sun and let suspension settle.... down onto the bumpstops! Laughing



PICS!!
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Registration date : 2006-11-19

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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 2:45 pm

looks great ,should be an awesome car when done ,.....

hope you don't mind , but your clear dizzy cap needs swaping of an original part , as they don't work well at all , plus your breather on the filler neck won't do you any favours ......i take it your running breatherports from the rocker covers too ,these are fine for reducing condensation ,but not for relieving crank case pressure ......use a stock breather ,and tap it into one of the air filters



heres why .........
The only pressure inside the case comes from the small amount of blowby that you will always get past the piston rings. No pressure is generated in the head area, it all comes from inside the crankcase.

So if you vent the rocker covers then you are encouraging the hot blowby gasses to travel up the pushrod tubes, against the flow of oil which is trying to run back down to the sump.

Surely it is better to vent the case directly so the fumes have an escape route close to source rather than getting them to travel all the way up to the heads before they can escape ?

Anyway, you have a T1 engine with a pipe from each rocker cover and a pipe from the case. All three pipes are at the same crankcase pressure, and they're all routed into a box. Then where does the pressure go from there ?

To relieve the pressure gasses must travel from high pressure to low pressure. Whatever number of pipes you connect together into a box, the breathing system is only as good as the route outwards from that box to an area of lower pressure, such as the atmosphere, or better still the area inside your air filter which is slightly lower than atmospheric pressure.

So if your breather box is connected into your air filter with some nice large diameter hose, and all the breather pipes that go from your engine into your breather box are also large diameter (and hence low restriction to flow) then all is well, it should work fine.

However - Most breather boxes are not well vented or connected into the air filter, so you can't really expect them to do very much, no matter how many hoses come into them from various parts of the engine. Also many "breather box" kits come with ridiculously small diameter hoses which would not allow much gas flow.

The stock VW breather is plenty good enough for tuned T1 engines of 2L plus so there is absolutely no need for any extra vents, hoses, clips, boxes etc. unless you have a real monster of a race engine.
It's all a load of unnecessary clutter in the engine bay. Every extra pipe, connector etc is a potential fault liability. Any breather setup that vents into the atmosphere will never work as well as one that vents into the air filter.

If you did have a large capacity motor with forced induction and the stock system was unable to cope then I would say that good engineering principles would say - add a single extra vent into the case itself and make it large enough diameter to relieve the pressure. - OR - fit a sand seal to the pulley and convert to a PCV system that vents into the inlet manifold through a special valve.

So to summarise - A well designed aftermarket breather box that's vented into the air filter(s) will work just fine - but it is not doing anything that the stock VW system doesn't already do and it's an increased fault liability - hence it's a waste of money unless you want it for the looks. However, most breather boxes out there are neither well designed or connected into the air filter.

also If you think about how the crank pressure gets to the breather box via the heads ......it can't as it would have to pass the cam followers ...right? ........however I do believe on short journeys they can help reduce condensation in the rocker covers ,which believe me air cooled engines get a lot of until properly warm ......but use the stock breather instead of the nice ali one you have on the breather neck ........this alone will be sufficiant

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Registration date : 2006-11-19

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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 2:49 pm

by the way .....its looking the dogs Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 3:10 pm

Are your fingers just bloody stumps after typing that lot lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 3:28 pm

lol ....yep .......also your gear box gaiters need turning , its hard for them to bend with the join in the upright position .....I turn mine to 11 or 2 oclock ....this means the join is still high up to limit leakage but they an still give the lateral movement they need to when the rear suspention lifts

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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 4:14 pm

thanks buddy - noticed that today - but forgot to mention it to him. he's on a roll now (cus I pushed him!) and these things can be sorted. will tap breather into top of a carb filter.

he's even fitted a seat now... affraid
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fitted seat and stuff.. more pics Smile

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"Stephy-Weffy, I'm all dirty and ive got my huge tool in my hand!"
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptySun Jun 19, 2011 8:31 pm

sorry dude ,your not getting me quite right , the ali breather on the filler neck needs changing for a stock one .....the other breathers can stay
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Mr Scoops wrote:
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"Stephy-Weffy, I'm all dirty and ive got my huge tool in my hand!"

"I just luv a big tool and socket"

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I'm sure the steering wheel used to be here...?
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These have Gunge written all over them...

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Thumbs up if you love anal bum fun??

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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptyMon Jun 20, 2011 12:51 pm

ive just spat corned beef sandwiches all over the works keyboard. excellent!!
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PostSubject: Re: Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit   Ella - The 1985 Mexican Bandit - Page 10 EmptyTue Jun 28, 2011 8:38 am

yesterdays progress,
big thanks to rich for popping over till early hours to help me on the bug,
got lots done Very Happy

all fuel lines, filters, regualtors etc fitted, oil lines and external filter mounted and plumbed up, finished electrical wiring under rear seat & engine / gearbox, filled with oil,

got it turning over on the starter after had few bad earths where i had to much paint and a duff battery,

tonights jobs will be checking the fuel lines for leaks under pressure same for oil lines and, spinning engine over and getting oil pressure then some fuel and and coil Very Happy , time to fire up, and some pics toooooooooo
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Got some video of the engine running from last night. Will get it uploaded and post on here tonight.
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What are you withering about??

And I can't see your link? Is that an Apple thing or is it broked?
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Broke
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sorted: just click on the pic below..

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